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Re: Steinitz
Reply #3 - 03/10/06 at 13:48:18
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I had a look at the line and the games you provided. I'm a french player myself and I wouldn't touch this line even with a barge pole. Once you take a look at the board black's lack of development hurts the eye. White has many reasonable plans.

1) a4,a5,Nc3-a4-b6. Black is helpless. If black plays b6 black knight can jump to c5
2) Nc3-e2-d4 as played in the game you provided.

Black can only play for a draw in any line I can imagine. Position is not complex and probably not worth making detailed analysis. Virtually, just about any legal move will have identical evaluation.

Certain points are worth bearing in mind, though.

1) Whether you like it or not, you are already in the ending on move 13 and the only way to utilise lead in development is to jokey for an advantageous end game position.
2) White's only worry is f1 Bishop. It's role is not resolved yet. It is best not to commit it on 14th turn.
3)14.h4 can be useful. Not as an attacking move, but to centralise the rooks along the third rank. This is a standard plan when normal centralisation of rooks is not possible.

Hope this helps.
  
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Re: Steinitz
Reply #2 - 03/10/06 at 10:37:19
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Yes I am interested in the white side. I looked at some games and h4 is often played but h5 might be wrong see the first game. Concentrating on favorable ending sounds good, but I am not an endgamer Undecided Smiley
Unfortunately I couldn't found the Kasparov game.

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Frolochkin,V (2208) - Matrosov,V (2029) [C11]
Chigorin CC St Petersburg RUS (5), 20.05.2005

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 a6 8.Qd2 cxd4 9.Nxd4 Nxd4 10.Bxd4 Bc5 11.0-0-0 Bxd4 12.Qxd4 Qb6 13.Qd2 Nc5 14.h4 Bd7 15.h5 0-0-0 16.h6 g6 17.Qd4 Kb8 18.Kb1 Rc8 19.Bd3 Rc6 20.g4 Rhc8 21.f5 Nxd3 22.Qxb6 Rxb6 23.Rxd3 exf5 24.Nxd5 Re6 25.Re1 Bb5 26.Rde3 fxg4 27.Nf6 Rec6 28.c3 Rc4 29.Ne4 Rxe4 30.Rxe4 Bd3+ 31.Kc1 Bxe4 32.Rxe4 Re8 33.Kd2 f6 34.e6 f5 35.Re5 Kc7 36.c4 Kd6 0-1



Apicella,M (2518) - Moracchini,F (2316) [C11]
St Quentin op 4th St Quentin (4.1), 17.04.2001

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 a6 8.Qd2 cxd4 9.Nxd4 Bc5 10.0-0-0 Nxd4 11.Bxd4 Bxd4 12.Qxd4 Qb6 13.Qxb6 Nxb6 14.Ne2 Bd7 15.Nd4 0-0 16.h4 Rae8 17.Rh3 Bc8 18.Re3 f6 19.g3 f5 20.b3 Rf7 21.Rc3 Na8 22.a4 Rc7 23.Rxc7 Nxc7 24.Rd3 Bd7 25.Rc3 Rc8 26.a5 Kf7 27.Kb2 Ke7 28.Be2 g6 29.h5 Be8 30.h6 Bd7 31.Nf3 Bc6 32.Rc5 Rd8 33.Ng5 Rf8 34.Kc3 Rh8 35.Kd4 Kd7 36.Ke3 Ke7 37.Nf3 Rg8 38.Kf2 Kd7 39.Rc3 Ke7 40.Rd3 Bb5 41.c4 Bc6 42.Ng5 Rh8 43.Rd1 Rf8 44.Nxh7 Rh8 45.Nf6 Kf7 46.h7 Ne8 47.cxd5 exd5 48.Nxd5 Rxh7 49.Nb4 Rh2+ 50.Ke3 Be4 51.Bc4+ Kf8 52.Rd7 1-0
  
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Re: Steinitz
Reply #1 - 03/10/06 at 07:22:49
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I’m assuming you are interested in the white side of this line.

14.h4 cannot be correct, objectively speaking. After exchanging two sets of minor pieces and queen, I’m not sure I understand the attacking motif of 14.h4 and 15.h5. Concentrating on favorable ending (White is far ahead in development but lacks fire power to complete a successful attack) might be a better idea. If black insists on 14…f6 15.exf5 with pressure along e file will be very uncomfortable for black.

For what it is worth, you might want to study Kasparov – Short.
  
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C11: Steinitz
03/09/06 at 21:21:02
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1.e4 e6
2.d4 d5
3.Nc3 Nf6
4.e5 Nfd7
5.f4 c5
6.Nf3 Nc6
7.Be3 a6
8.Qd2 cxd4
9.Nxd4 Bc5
10.0-0-0 Nxd4
11.Bxd4 Bxd4
12.Qxd4 Qb6

Most black players prefer 8...b5. But what should white do against this variation. I think it's difficult to prove an advantage as white in this line. One plan could be h4 -h5 -h6.
But Black has counterplay with f6. For example:
13.Qxb6 Nxb6 14.h4 f6 15.h5 fxe5 16.fxe5 0-0 and Black is okay.
Any suggestions? Perhaps trading Queens is wrong? I have nearly no experience with this pawn structure and this specific line and I would appreciate your help.

Tom
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